FYF 101

Wednesday, October 14, 2009

Davey Moore was a boxer who died as the result of boxing injuries.



For discussion: From the list given, who do you think killed Davey Moore? Should blood-sports like boxing be allowed?

posted by Anthony at 1:04 PM

8 Comments:

  • I believe that all of the people listed somewhat took part in killing Davey Moore. However, I believe the person most to blame was the referee. He claimed that he was able to stop it but didn't because the crowd would boo. A person should not have to die because other people would complain if a fight stopped. The referee had a chance to save Davey Moore, but did not. From what I know, it is a referee's job to keep fights under control. Blood-sports like boxing should be allowed, but only if there are strict rules that are followed that prevent people from being severely injured or even killed.

    By Blogger rachelzomerfeld, at Fri Oct 16, 12:01:00 PM 2009  

  • Overall, I think that Davey Moore is responsible for his own death. When he decided to be a boxer, he knew of the risks. Even if he did not expect a sudden death, he had to have known that the toll taken to his body adds up enough to lower his life expectancy. He cannot blame anyone else for that. It was Davey Moore’s decision to fight, not his manager’s, or the crowd’s or the referee’s decision. While an unfortunate accident resulted from the fight, every fight is dangerous and the risks are well-known.
    As for blood-sports, I think that they should absolutely be allowed. They are a strong form of entertainment, and all those participating in the sports know of the risks. They agree to participate because they enjoy the sport and the satisfaction that comes with having fans. I personally do not find boxing that exciting, but with a sport like hockey, it never gets old. After growing up in a family of sports fanatics, I would not know what do to without blood-sports, or sports of any kind for that matter.

    By Blogger Unknown, at Sat Oct 17, 11:19:00 AM 2009  

  • I feel that not one person can be held responsible for Davey Moore's death. His death wasn't planned; it was nothing but unexpected and unintentional. It's not the job of the referee to prevent death; it is to make sure both players are abiding by the rules for a fair match. The ref did not know what move Sugar Ramos would make next, and unfortunately, Ramos made the wrong one. After watching the video, I heard Dylan sing about the sports writer who explained boxing as the 'Old American way.' This stuck to me because it made me feel like Davey was practicing something that was natural and fun for him. He was the one who put himself in the ring with Ramos, allowing him to be at risk for anything. In this case, it was not victory, it was injury that later resulted in death. But Davey Moore was determined to win. So if the finger was to be pointed at anything, it would have to be the determination inside Davey Moore. I really have no problem with blood-sports as long as there played under the correct circumstances and supervision. Any sport could turn into a blood sport and any player puts them self at risk for injury like Davey Moore. For example, a soccer player could trip and hit there head of the goalpost, resulting in severe injury. Thus, an injury can happen at any time in pretty much any circumstance. Although boxing is more physical and direct than many other sports, ultimately, players put themselves at their own risk.

    By Blogger Nicole.Najaka, at Sun Oct 18, 10:12:00 PM 2009  

  • I want to start off by saying that I love Bob Dylan.
    The person most responsible for Davey Moore's death, is Davey Moore. He knew what he was getting into when he went into the ring. The referee, the other boxer, and the manager were all doing there jobs. The referee probably didn't understand the severity of Moore's injuries otherwise he would have stopped the other boxer. Moore had to understand the circumstances involved with his interest in this blood sports. A person who smokes understand every time they take a puff that it could eventually cause cancer. Also, many jobs involve dangerous activities, for example, firefighting and police work. I know that boxing isn't for the good of people although.

    I think that blood sports should be aloud because if they were out-lawed, people would do them illegally and then they would be unsafe. This could lead to more injuries and deaths. It's better off that they are super vised.

    By Blogger CourtneyLeighton, at Sun Oct 18, 11:01:00 PM 2009  

  • Was it the referee? I don't think so. How could the referee have known that Davey Moore was actually going to die? When he said that he could've stopped the fight before his death, he was referring to hindsight. 'If he had known Davey Moore was going to die,' he would've stopped it from happening. In addition, referees this day and age are bound by a set of rules to try and prevent death from happening in the ring.
    Was it the crowd? If it's anyone who should be blamed, I think it should be the crowd. Crowds at these boxing events always seem to try and instigate, and there always seems to be a collective drive to see more blood. The crowd whose voices filled the ring can definitely be blamed.
    The manager? I'm not so sure if he can be blamed, but he's obviously going to be the one held most responsible. However, I'd like to ask what we don't know about the interaction between Davey Moore and his manager leading up to the fight.
    The gambling man? In my opinion, he's part of the crowd. And while he put his money on Davey to win, this indirectly put more pressure on Davey's opponent (who probably knew that people were going to put money down for Davey) to place more force against Davey.
    The ring writer? I think if anything, he's irrelevant to the whole situation. He's just an observer, and he makes a point when he says boxing is just as dangerous as football, and that it's part of "the American way."
    Finally, should the opponent be blamed? I would say yes, for two reasons: A.) He was the one who directly killed Davey Moore. That can't be denied. B.) If he saw that Davey was becoming to weak to put up a decent fight, he should've let up. Human life is infinitely more important than winning a match. In that respect, yes, the opponent should also be blamed.

    By Blogger ToddOravic, at Mon Oct 19, 07:15:00 AM 2009  

  • Oh yes, should blood sports be allowed? I think they should be. They are fulfilling to those who take part in them as well as those who spectate. However, no matter what, there should always be ground rules to prevent terrible things from occuring. It's not simply a game or a match when someone is debilitated or killed. I think today, rules for such events as football games and boxing matches serve to protect the people involved, unlike the blood sports of ancient times, in which killing the opponent or opponents was really all that mattered.

    By Blogger ToddOravic, at Mon Oct 19, 07:20:00 AM 2009  

  • I don't think any one person can have the finger pointed at them for the death of Davey Moore. The referee could have called it, but how he was suppose to know that he was going to die? The crowd egged on the fight, but yet again, they are only the crowd; they didn't participate in the actual fight. All of the people had helped the fight, but can't be focused as the cause of this death.
    Blood sports should be allowed, because as Courtney said, they would still continue. There's such a blood lust in the human race that simply banning them would not stop it. There are already underground blood sports with legal ones continuing on. The underground games would increase dramatically if they were illegal. It is better just to have them legal with strict rules to prevent deaths than to have a large amount of underground activity where no rules are used.

    By Blogger Amanda Readinger, at Mon Oct 19, 05:58:00 PM 2009  

  • I don't think that anyone was at fault. This death was an accident and is very unlikely to happen again. The referee couldn't have stopped it because it was just one punch that killed Davey Moore. the crowd couldn't have stopped that punch from killing him. The only people who could have stopped it were Davey Moore or his opponent. Davey Moore could have chosen not to box, but he did. And by choosing to box he accepted the risk or injury or death. The opponent could have not thrown that deadly punch but it's not his fault because he didn't know that the punch would kill Davey Moore. Personally I don't like blood-sports and don't watch them but i think that they should be allowed. They are risky yes, but the risk is known. You know that if you go into boxing then there is a pretty good chance that you will become injured and a slight chance that you will be killed. There is a chance of injury in just about everything we do. You can break an ankle running or get killed in a car crash but we don't stop doing those things because of the risk. Also, all sports have a risk. Look at gymnastics. It is a no contact sport but it is very dangerous and your life can be changed forever due to an injury. My sister did gymnastics for years and was very good but because of it she has ankle problems and has to do physical therapy. Three other girls who do gymnastics can never straighten their arms again due to gymnastics. My sister has had 7 concussions from gymnastics. And i know people who have broken ribs and almost died. There are a lot of injuries associated with gymnastics but no one thinks that it is too risky and should not be allowed. Every sport has risks and those who participate in the sports take the risk of injury. Davey Moore was willing to take that risk to box and unfortunately he was one of the unlucky ones. But that is the risk of sports.

    By Blogger Amy Asher, at Tue Oct 20, 09:06:00 AM 2009  



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